The Ideal Charlie Girl

a closeup of Shelley

from a Charlie perfume ad, 1977

 

Shelley was The ideal Charlie Girl. Gorgeous, sexy and young, she was the perfect embodiment of the ideals the brand wanted to represent. But Shelley brought more than just that to the now iconic image. Shelley's Charlie Girl came about at the time when women's liberation was at its peak; and she added even more ideals to the image. She made THE Charlie Girl glamorous, liberated and independent as well. She became an ideal women looked up to, an aspirational figure they saw  themselves as. In 2008, Oprah Winfrey had Shelley as a guest on her daytime talk show and admitted that, back in the day, she herself wanted to be a Charlie Girl. She wanted to be able to spray on Charlie perfume and glamorously go from day to evening anywhere on her own - to be that fabulous.

 

Shelley in a Charlie perfume ad, 1977

A Star in the 1980s

a paparazzi pic of Shelley from 1986

 

Shelley was already famous before she was cast as Tiffany Welles in the phenomenal hit TV series Charlie's Angels in 1979. She was known worldwide as THE Charlie Girl - the fabulous Supermodel from the Charlie perfume ads. Everyone loved THE Charlie Girl and her addition to the series was a natural step for her to take. She stayed a year in the show and seriously pursued an acting career in Hollywood thereafter. She appeared on stage plays, more TV and movie projects and was spotted around Hollywood at parties, premieres and award shows - photographed by the paparazzi whenever she did.

 

a paparazzi pic of Shelley from 1986

 

In 1986, she was spotted at the premiere party of The Temptation music video "A Fine Mess." A Fine Mess was a 1986 movie that starred Ted Danson and Howie Mandel. The comedy was directed by Blake Edwards and had Richard Mulligan, Paul Sorvino and Maria Conchita Alonzo among the supporting cast. The title song "A Fine Mess" was performed by The Temptations. The music video was premiered at the Comedy Store in West Hollywood and had in attendance the director and stars of the movie as well as Shelley, Ed Bagley, Jr., Cloris Leachman, Stephen Bishop and Rebecca Holden.

 

a paparazzi pic of Shelley from 1986

Recycling Wardrobes A

closeups of Shelley from a spread 

for Co-ed magazine, 1971

 

Shelley was one of the busiest models in the 1960s and 1970s. She appeared in countless ads, catalogs and magazine spreads. In September of 1971, she appeared in a spread for Co-ed magazine called "Recycling 4 Wardrobes Under $100." It featured four wardrobe sets that could be reused and rotated and recycled - just like aluminum, glass and paper (Eco-notes were even added to the spread for info in how to recycle the recyclables). The wardrobe pieces in the spread were items that readers could wear and wear and wear over and over and over. Shelley wore a Pandora bone shirt over a plaid pleated skirt in basic blues and greens by Parlane which was topped with a belted navy corduroy jacket by Lady Wrangler. Roman Stripe socks and shoes by Viner finished her look. A knitted cap and a white elephant pin by Tempo accessorized her look. And Shelley looked chic and ready to recycle.

Shelley in a spread for Co-ed magazine, 1971

1983 Interview A

screen captures of Shelley

being interviewed by Leta Powell Drake, 1983

 

Shelley's second TV series was Cutter to Houston back in 1983. To promote the show, she made rounds and did interviews where she talked about her latest endeavor. One of the interviews she did was with Leta Powell Drake, a television journalist who interviewed entertainment and sports stars for the television station KOLN/KGIN in Nebraska (she interviewed many stars in the 1980s). Shelley discussed her role in the TV series and how much research she did to prepare for it. She also talked a little about her modeling career and her mother. The interview is now on YouTube at:

 

Interview with Shelley Hack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ptr29lzPdQ

more screen captures of Shelley
being interviewed by Leta Powell Drake, 1983

Norwood Ad 1969

a closeup of Shelley from an ad

for Norwood Mills, Inc., 1969

 

Shelley was a part-time model in the 1960s. Her priority was her education but she modeled on the side and was represented by Ford Models, Inc. Shelley's mother, Patricia, a former model herself, was acquainted to Eileen Ford. She took Shelley to meet Mrs. Ford who signed her on immediately. Shelley said, "She barely looked at me, but at the end of the meeting, she turned and said, "We’ll be expecting you at 9 o’clock tomorrow.'" At the time, Shelley only worked during her summer vacations.

another closeup of Shelley from an ad

for Norwood Mills, Inc., 1969

 

In 1969, Shelley appeared in an ad for Norwood Mills, Inc., a Midwestern producer of knitted pile fabrics. Norwood was engaged in producing pile fabrics for industrial purposes and was interested in eventually getting into producing fabrics for women's and children's outer apparel. Dubbed "Norwood's Wildlife Goes to to Your Head," the ad showcased hats and muffs made from the lushest, plushest fake furs. In the ad, Shelley wore a cuddle cap by Betmar and a headhugger by Gresack Bros. that came with matching mittens. Shelley looked fab in both.

 

Shelley with Cheryl Tiegs
in an ad for Norwood Mills, Inc., 1969

Serious About Her Work

a promo pic of Shelley from 1978

 

Shelley was a part-time model in the 1960s. But after graduating from Smith College in 1970, she became a full-time model. She was represented by Ford Models, Inc. and was one of the most successful models of the era. She worked hard and was serious about her profession. "The clients respond to my all-American face," Shelley told Cosmopolitan magazine in 1974. She explained, "Models look at themselves differently than other women. I used to look in the mirror and just stare and reflect. (Now) I'm interested in what needs repairing. Is my shadow running? Have my cheeks started to pale?" Shelley added, "As far as (my father) was concerned, I was in business, the business of selling my face."

 

a writeup about Shelley from 1978

Add 'Em All Up 1972 C

closeups of Shelley from a spread

for the Simplicity Home Catalog, 1972

 

Shelley has appeared on many spreads for many catalogs from the late '60s to the mid-'70s. Many Supermodels at the time appeared in the most popular catalogs during the era like Cheryl Tiegs, Beverly Johnson, Patti Hansen and Shelley Smith, just to name a few. Many models who eventually became actresses also appeared in the catalogs like Veronica Hamel, Erin Grey, Kim Basinger and Pam Dawber. Shelley appeared on the pages of the the Simplicity Home Catalog Fall/Winter 1972 issue. In the spread called "Add 'Em All Up," she modeled great looking get-ons that added up to a totally smashing look for fall that season. Shelley paired pattern no. 9718, a blouse softly gathered at the forward shoulder seams with long sleeves that gathered to buttoned cuffs, pattern no. 5192, a tunic with a back zipper closing, a low round neckline and extended shoulders forming cap sleeves. A matching belt and a hose finished her look. And Shelley looked fabulous.

 

Shelley in a spread
for the Simplicity Home Catalog, 1972

The Ultimate Charlie Girl

a closeup of Shelley from a Charlie perfume ad, 1977

 

Shelley was THE ultimate Charlie Girl - gorgeous, sexy and young, as well as glamorous, liberated and independent. She was the perfect embodiment of the brand's ideals. She represented the brand from 1976 to 1982 and catapulted it, as well as herself, to worldwide popularity and recognition. She told Viva magazine in 1978, "It's amazing how many people recognize me and thank me for my image. They say, 'You beat out Lauren (Hutton) and Karen (Graham - of Estée Lauder) any day for me.'" By then, Shelley ranked among a handful of Übermodels who had signed groundbreaking and lucrative contracts with the giant cosmetics companies of the time. Aside from Shelley, Lauren and Karen, there were Iman, Cheryl Tiegs, Cristina Ferare and Margaux Hemingway. They were the million-dollar faces in the beauty industry, commanding million-dollar fees. They were the highest-paid models of the era. Shelley added, "But I'm not interested in being competitive... only with myself. I don't go around thinking, 'I'm gonna get you, sister...'" The more the merrier as they say.

 

Shelley in a Charlie perfume ad, 1977

Spotted at a NY Party 1977

Shelley at a New York party in 1977

 

Shelley first gained international recognition as THE Charlie Girl in 1976. She lived in New York at the time, was a known as sort of a clothes horse, and was spotted at numerous parties around the city. In August of 1977, she was caught by the paparazzi with Susan Sarandon and Patrick Wayne at the opening night party of Otherwise Engaged, a hit Broadway play by Simon Gray with TV talk show host Dick Cavett in the lead role. It was Cavett's Broadway debut. Shelley and Cavett both appeared in the Woody Allen classic Annie Hall which hit the theaters April of that year.

 

Shelley with Susan Sarandon and Patrick Wayne
in a New York party, 1977

French Kids

a closeup of Shelley from an ad for Gay Gibson, 1969

 

Shelley was one of the busiest models from the 1960s to the 1970s. She appeared in countless ads, catalogs and magazine spreads. In 1969, she appeared in an ad for Gay Gibson. The fashion label came out of Kansas City, Missouri, and was owned by the Gernes Garment Company. Gay Gibson was just a label though, no person by that name designed the clothes. In their ad dubbed called "French Kids," Shelley wore an outfit in Parisian pink.  She wore The Swing-Shift, a pink shift dress with snips and strips of white vinyl. A matching white watch, white knee socks and white footwear finished her look. Shelley looked space-age chic.

Shelley in an ad for Gay Gibson, 1969

ET Interview '86, C

screen captures of Shelley

from an Entertainment Tonight interview, 1986

 

Shelley's third foray into series television was Jack and Mike in 1986. The show explored the life of Jackie Shea and Mike Brennan, a married couple with busy careers trying to make their marriage work. The yuppie phenomenon exploded in the 1980s when more and more women began entering the workforce and climbing up the corporate ladder on their own, holding positions previously reserved for men only in past generations. Before the show premiered, Shelley was interviewed by Entertainment Tonight to talk about her new venture. "I saw in the script a modern woman who really loves her job and really loves her husband and is trying to balance the two," Shelley told ET. She added, "It's not easy balancing a job you love and a husband you love very much."

 

more screen captures of Shelley

from an Entertainment Tonight interview, 1986

 

"I don't have to do a series," Shelley confessed to ET, "You know, I'm fine doing television movies; and I started to produce my own, which is what I eventually want to do" (which she' doing now, by the way). But then she read the script for Jack and Mike and liked it so much, she signed on the dotted line. Shelley always admitted she loved working on Jack and Mike, but the series, unfortunately, had a short run (sleeper hits were unheard of then). Let's hope it makes it on DVD soon.

4-Piece Outfit

a closeup of Shelley from a spread

for Sears Fall Winter 1977

 

Shelley appeared in many catalogs during her years as one of America's top Supermodels. She appeared on catalog spreads for JCPenney, Montgomery Ward, Alden's and many more. In 1977, she appeared on the pages of the Sears Fall Winter 1977 catalog. In the Fashion Value page spread, she modeled the 4-Piece Outfit, a wardrobe set that was color-coordinated and ready to go anywhere. She wore a sleeveless pullover-style top with a soft cowl-neck over a pair of pull-on style pants with straight-cut legs and an elasticized waistband. She topped it off with an easy-fitting shirt-style jacket with pointed collars. Matching footwear and bracelets finished her look. And Shelley made the outfit look sensational.

 

Shelley in a a spread

for Sears Fall Winter 1977

Rag Sheet Angel

a promo pic of Shelley from 1978

 

Shelley became Charlie's Angels no. 5 in 1979 and was instantly a Hollywood superstar even before filming anything for the hit TV series. She was suddenly thrust into the limelight and became a rag sheet target overnight. Suddenly, everything she did was being written - true and untrue. In 2002, she told TV Tales, "There's a downside to this stuff." One of the first stories that came out was about her was her on and off relationship with screenwriter and director Nicholas Mayer. "I feel badly when I read things about myself that aren't true - like the fact that I just broke up with my long-time boyfriend writer-director Nicholas Mayer. That bothered me terribly. We're still very much together and people print lies." Like the Angels before her, she had entered the virtual fishbowl, the "rock star space." She added, "I was totally unprepared for the press "bonanza" that followed."

 

a rag sheet writeup about Shelley from 1979

Add 'Em All Up 1972 B

closeups of Shelley from a spread

for the Simplicity Home Catalog, 1972

 

Shelley has appeared on many spreads for many catalogs from the late '60s to the mid-'70s. Many Supermodels at the time appeared in the most popular catalogs during the era like Cheryl Tiegs, Beverly Johnson, Patti Hansen and Shelley Smith, just to name a few. Many models who eventually became actresses also appeared in the catalogs like Veronica Hamel, Erin Grey, Kim Basinger and Pam Dawber.

 

closeups of Shelley from a spread

for the Simplicity Home Catalog, 1972

 

Shelley appeared on the pages of the the Simplicity Home Catalog Fall/Winter 1972 issue. In the spread called "Add 'Em All Up," she modeled great looking get-ons that added up to a totally smashing look for fall that season. Shelley paired pattern no. 5194, a top with a high round neckline and a back zipper as well as skirt with front pleats and back zipper, with pattern no. 5218, a collared dickie. She also wore pattern no. 5142, a bibbed long skirt, over a sweater and shirt combo top. And Shelley looked fab in both.

Shelley in a spread
for the Simplicity Home Catalog, 1972

The Glamorous Charlie Girl

a closeup of Shelley from a Charlie perfume ad, 1982

 

Shelley was The quintessential Charlie Girl. She was gorgeous, sexy and young, as well as glamorous, liberated and independent - the perfect embodiment of the brand's ideals. She represented the brand from 1976 to 1982. Makeup artist and photographer Rick Gillette Tweeted, "Shelley Hack was really the perfect girl for Charlie." He added, "I can’t tell you how many of these ads we shot for Revlon from Central Park to San Francisco and Paris the list grew and grew for years." As THE Charlie Girl, Shelley jumped from top model to Supermodel just like that. She catapulted herself and the brand to worldwide recognition.

 

Shelley in a Charlie perfume ad, 1982

Goodbye to Another Angel

The Angels from the original Charlie's Angels TV series

(left or right) Jaclyn Smith, Shelley Hack, Kate Jackson,

Farrah Fawcett, Tanya Roberts and Cheryl Ladd

 

Charlie's Angels is an unforgettable and groundbreaking TV series that aired from 1976 to 1981. The premise was simple - three beautiful women working as detectives for a millionaire recluse named Charles Townsend. They got their assignments via speaker phone and weren't allowed any face time with the boss for his protection as well as their own. The series broke new ground because aside from having women as leads (a first for TV), it portrayed women as buddies, helping each other through jams and having each other's backs. It portrayed women as independent, liberated and capable of taking care of themselves without the help of men - which was perfect for the time when women's lib was at its peak. Kate Jackson, Farrah Fawcett (then Majors) and Jaclyn Smith played the first ever team of Angels in season 1. Cheryl Ladd, Shelley Hack and Tanya Roberts followed suit in seasons 2, 4 and 5 respectively. The series was a phenomenal hit around the world, and all the Angels garnered their own fan following and became superstars in their own right.

Tanya Roberts, October 15, 1949 - January 4, 2021

 

Born Victoria Leigh Blum, Tanya Roberts was the final Angel to join the original TV series. She rose to stardom when she was cast as Julie Rogers in the final season of Charlie's Angels, taking over from Shelley Hack who left the series in 1980. Tanya's big Angel break brought her to the attention of many Hollywood producers in the '80s. She starred in the cult films Hearts and Armour and The Beastmaster and was cast as Velda in Mickey Spillane's Mike Hammer. In 1984, for the movie Sheena where she played the title character, she went blonde and stayed blonde ever since. She played Bond girl Stacey Sutton in 1985 for A View to a Kill opposite Roger Moore as James Bond. She suffered typecasting after that but in 1998 triumphantly returned to series TV via That '70s Show playing ditsy mom Midge Pinciotti. She left the series after three seasons to care for her ailing husband, returning as a recurring character after he passed away. She became very much visible in the celebrity convention circuit after and regularly met with her fans online via Facebook or the like. She was admitted at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center after collapsing on Christmas eve 2020 and was erroneously declared dead in January 3, 2021. But after some clarification, she sadly passed away for real on January 4, 2021 from a sepsis developed from a urinary tract infection. She was a young 71. She is sorely missed and will forever be remembered as the gorgeous Julie Rogers, as Sheena, as Stacey Sutton and as Midge Pinciotti by all her fans all over the world. R.I.P., dear Tanya.

 

Angels Reunions with Tanya Roberts throughout the years

top - Shelley Hack with Tanya and Mike Pingel; Jaclyn Smith

bottom - Kate Jackson, a fan and Tanya; Cheryl Ladd and Tanya

 

Tanya was one of Charlie's Angels and had met all the other Angels except for Farrah Fawcett. In 2009, she was interviewed by Retroality.TV at The Hollywood Show convention regarding her iconic Hollywood career as a Charlie's Angel, a Bond girl, Sheena and as Midge on That '70s Show. In the interview, she mentioned that already she met all the other Angels except for Farrah. She said, "Well, I'll tell you, I never met Farrah. I did golf tournaments. She did a couple of tournaments. But we never actually met." She met Kate Jackson at a 2004 celebrity convention; and she met Shelley Hack on that very day, that 2009 Hollywood Show convention. In 2013, she was spotted sitting beside Cheryl Ladd during the taping of a Dancing With The Stars episode: and she regularly ran into Jaclyn Smith around LA, as Jackie mentioned in one interview. On Tanya's death Jackie Tweeted, "Tanya joined Charlie's Angels for the final season, closing it out as it was initially intended with a redhead, a brunette and a blonde. She brought joy to so many people and had a career spanning decades. Good bye Angel. Rest in Peace." Cheryl Ladd posted on her Facebook page, "Rest in Peace beautiful girl." Farrah Fawcett passed away in 2009, and now Tanya this 2021. Good bye, Angels. We love you both.

Strapless '76

 

a closeup of Shelley from a spread for Vogue, 1976

 

Shelley was one of the busiest models in the 1970s. She appeared in countless ads, catalogs and magazine spreads. In June of 1976, she appeared on the pages of Vogue in the spread called "Torso." It featured fashions that emphasized a woman's torso, a focus that summer as strapless, bare, thin and unlined bathing suits were in. Shelley modeled the perfect covering to a strapless knitted top, a cotton square folded as a shawl by Belle France. Shelley looked chic.

 

Shelley in a spread for Vogue, 1976

ET Interview '86 B

screen captures of Shelley

from an Entertainment Tonight interview, 1986

 

Shelley's third foray into series television was Jack and Mike in 1986. The show explored the life of Jackie Shea and Mike Brennan, a married couple with busy careers trying to make their marriage work. The yuppie phenomenon exploded in the 1980s when more and more women began entering the workforce and climbing up the corporate ladder on their own, holding positions previously reserved for men only in past generations. Before the show premiered, Shelley was interviewed by Entertainment Tonight to talk about her new venture. "I saw in the script a modern woman who really loves her job and really loves her husband and is trying to balance the two," Shelley told ET. She added, "It's not easy balancing a job you love and a husband you love very much."

more screen captures of Shelley

from an Entertainment Tonight interview, 1986

 

"I don't have to do a series," Shelley confessed to ET, "You know, I'm fine doing television movies; and I started to produce my own, which is what I eventually want to do" (which she' doing now, by the way). But then she read the script for Jack and Mike and liked it so much, she signed on the dotted line. Shelley always admitted she loved working on Jack and Mike, but the series, unfortunately, had a short run (sleeper hits were unheard of then). Let's hope it makes it on DVD soon.

Jumpsuits '77

 

a closeup of Shelley from a spread

for Sears Fall Winter 1977

 

Shelley appeared in many catalogs during her years as one of America's top Supermodels. She appeared on catalog spreads for JCPenney, Montgomery Ward, Alden's and many more. In 1977, she appeared on the pages of the Sears Fall Winter 1977 catalog. In the spread called "A Great Way to Look at Jumpsuits," she modeled the Belted Jumpsuit. The stylish outfit had a front button-placket opening, notched collars, three patch pockets with button trims and short sleeves with mock cuffs. It had an elasticized waist and a half-belt that tied in front. It had wide straight-cut legs and top-stitching accents. A headscarf, casual bracelets and matching footwear finished her look. Shelley looked sensational.

 

Shelley in a a spread for Sears Fall Winter 1977

Celebrity Tennis in Malaysia

a promo pic of Shelley from 1986

 

Shelley along with 15 other celebrity guests braved the heat of Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, for the McDonald's-Sunday Mail Celebrity Tennis event in April of 1986. The stars in attendance were magician Carl Carlsson, songwriter and pianist Carol Connors, singer and Fifth Dimension founder Billy Davis Jr., Medical Center's Chad Everett, actress Shelby Grant, Mission: Impossible's Peter Graves, Charlie's Angels' Shelley Hack, Cagney and Lacey's Martin Kove, Kate and Allie's Ari Meyers, singer of Zorba fame Taro Meyers, singer Bobby Milano, Newhart's Tom Poston, model-actress Deborah Raffin, singer Keely Smith, The Carol Burnett Show and Wonder Woman's Lyle Waggoner and Hill Street Blues' Mike Warren. In addition to the tennis event, the Hollywood stars were going to participate in a farewell dinner show where the sponsors will donate $10 for every guest to a non-profit organization dedicated to preserving Malaysia's historical and cultural landmarks. Asian fans came in droves to get a glimpse, as well as autographs, of their favorite Hollywood stars.

 

a writeup about a celebrity tennis event
attended by Shelley in 1986

Add 'Em All Up 1972 A

closeups of Shelley from a spread

for the Simplicity Home Catalog, 1972

 

Shelley has appeared on many spreads for many catalogs from the late '60s to the mid-'70s. Many Supermodels at the time appeared in the most popular catalogs during the era like Cheryl Tiegs, Beverly Johnson, Patti Hansen and Shelley Smith, just to name a few. Many models who eventually became actresses also appeared in the catalogs like Veronica Hamel, Erin Grey, Kim Basinger and Pam Dawber.

 

closeups of Shelley from a spread

for the Simplicity Home Catalog, 1972

 

Shelley appeared on the pages of the the Simplicity Home Catalog Fall/Winter 1972 issue. In the spread called "Add 'Em All Up," she modeled great looking get-ons that added up to a totally smashing look for fall that season. Shelley wore pattern no. 5193, a jacket, top and skirt ensemble with pattern no. 5218, a dickie with a tie. A matching belt, hose and footwear finished her collegiate look. She also wore pattern no. 9718, a blouse, over pattern no. 5145, a pair of clam-diggers. A shrink top, pattern no. 5175, went over her blouse. Matching socks and footwear finished her fun look. And Shelley looked fab in both.

 

Shelley in a spread
for the Simplicity Home Catalog, 1972

The Gorgeous Charlie Girl

a closeup of Shelley from a Charlie perfume ad, 1978

 

Shelley was The quintessential Charlie Girl. She was the perfect embodiment of the brand's ideals - gorgeous, sexy and young, as well as glamorous, liberated and independent. Revlon creative director David Leddick had her then boyfriend photographer Steen Svensson shoot the first presentation with her and it got her the contract - one of the first modeling contracts made between models and giant beauty companies. Before that, Shelley had a feeling she was going to get it and felt that it was going to be a big thing; and she did and it did become a big thing. Charlie sales went through the roof when she became The Charlie Girl and everyone in the world wanted to be a Charlie Girl. And Shelley jumped from top model to Supermodel just like that.

 

Shelley in a Charlie perfume ad, 1978

Second TV Series

a closeup of Shelley from a 1983 promo pic

for Cutter to Houston

 

Shelley was slowly gaining recognition as an actress in the early 1980s. After leaving Charlie's Angels in 1980, she received praise for her work on, stage, screen and television, taking everyone by surprise. She did have acting talent and was gaining credibility as an actress. So much so that in 1983, she landed a lead role in another TV series. In Cutter to Houston, Shelley costarred with Jim Metzler and Alec Baldwin. They played city-trained doctors relegated to a small town clinic in Cutter miles away from a huge hospital in Houston.

 

Shelley in a 1983 promo pic for Cutter to Houston

with Jim Mezler and Alec Baldwin

 

In an era when nighttime soaps like Dallas and Dynasty reigned supreme, Cutter to Houston had a hard time finding an audience. After just three months, the series was cancelled and although Shelley had gained huge strides and recognition for her acting, she was again somehow in the position where she had to prove herself acting-wise. But in other parts of the world, she always had fans. Cutter to Houston was aired in Germany in 1988 and was a success. Unfortunately, the short run of the series left fans wanting more.

 

Shelley in a 1988 German-language writeup
for Freizeit Revue (Arts Revue) where about her series
Cutter to Houston (Die Texas-Klink) and her showbiz career
at the time. Below is the translation.

Nobody Wants Her

This is Shelley Hack (38), a smoking hot blonde from New York who has, so far, been unable to find success as an actress. The former Supermodel has appeared on both big and small screen projects like Charlie’s Angels but success has so far eluded her. Right now, her series Cutter to Houston is being aired here with the last episode to be aired next week. Maybe Shelley will have better luck if she moved here.